how do you square that with this very specific debt ceiling problem that we have, that we have financial obligations that we've already made that need to be paid and we have a second debate going on about how we should spend our money? >> basically, ali, we have 100% leveraged. $16.5 trillion in debt. if we continue to borrow and spend beyond our limit, we're going to compound that debt and deficit and be on an us sustainable course for us to survive. we're at a point, we need to take the one less traveled and make all the difference. we're going to have to put our talking points on and leave them outside of the room. >> yes. >> sit down at the table, prioritize our spending, act like a business person would have to act and every family member has to act and we're going to get our house in order. we don't do that, we're going to be a deader state. >> you want to get business done. you want to get a budget. can can we not separate these things out? i know there are a lot of people who take the debt ceiling off the table and increase it and you lose your leverage. republicans lose your lev